@MindOfJoe @kinetix I quite agree with this - adoption only matters if you need a lot of people to exploit and skim off money, or to commercial software that costs money. It's nice that Signal seems to be currently trustworthy, but E2E is also just that right now: nice to have.

Now, if it becomes crucial, then only the people to whom it becomes crucial need to think about this and use PGP/GPG, and they have no need to care whether anyone besides their group is using it.

In the final analysis, it never actually mattered whether Apple capitulated or not, because most their users are from the first paragraph, they have nothing to hide and nothing to fear, as they say. If you're already doing shit you need to hide from the gov, you deserve to get caught if you trust a corp.

@jpaskaruk @MindOfJoe To play devil's advocate - I'd say that if you leave privacy & security until you absolutely need it, it's probably too late.

We currently have pretty big issues where most everyone's so nonchalantly leaking data about themselves that it's pretty clear that we should be taking way more precautions than we currently are. The US should be teaching a pretty big lesson right now that our current digital footprints are able to get the new books thrown at you for doing something that was legal months ago and is important for keeping you alive.

And here we are still using plaintext email like it's 1987. 😉 Automatic encryption-switched-on emails would be great.

Still lots to work on in the bigger picture beyond that, of course.

@jpaskaruk @MindOfJoe I don't know that I'd agree with that... mostly because governments are already trying to wreck or outlaw encryption here and there. I feel like that's a lost battle for them, for the most part - in that I don't think it's flown under the radar at all for them.

@kinetix @MindOfJoe Ahh, but why don't they seem to care, when techbros are generally refusing to hand over the info?

Answer: Because they can just buy it from the data brokers. They don't need to break encryption as long as people are using big tech, because the phone collects all the important stuff, and it's available at bargain basement prices, compared to the political capital of doing the legal necessaries.

If we form a resistance movement and stop using anything from SV, they will very quickly do the formalities.

@jpaskaruk @MindOfJoe I think we should test that theory!